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[Taketoshi Sano <kgh12351@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Cc; Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <edmundo@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: i18n'd boot-floppies ?
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From: Taketoshi Sano <kgh12351@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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 (Michael Sobolev's message of "Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:41:47 +0400")
Date: 02 May 2000 08:39:20 +0900
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Hi.

  at Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:41:47 +0400,
 Michael Sobolev <mss@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 08:10:29AM +0900, Taketoshi Sano wrote:
> > I think that the font file size is very big problem for us, as one of
> > users who deadly needs the CJK support.
> But you do not need complete fonts at installation time, I believe. :)  So
> there should be something like `font reduction'.

Well, I have heard that some installer for JP local distributions use
"minikon", which uses reduced fonts. I don't know the detail, but
some sort of font reduction may be there.

> > What is needed to run dbootstrap under bterm ?
> A font, a special library (libutf8 hack; this supports three or four functions:
> wcwidth, mbtowc, wctomb), and a kernel w/ fb support.
 
OK. I have found the message from Edmundo Evans. Thanks to let me know.

   From: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS <edmundo@xxxxxxxx>
   Subject: BOGL bterm
   Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:42:15 +0100

It shows some locations to download the requirements. I will try to 
get them later.

Can I add this mail in cvs as utilities/bogl/README.BOGL-bterm ?
The instructions and informations in it may be needed to work on the task.
The size of the file is just 4961 bytes.

> > How bterm is different from normal console ?
> Normal console does not support more than 512 characters in a font, and, what
> is very important for CJK people, it does not support two-cells-wide characters
> (at least, in 2.2.* kernels).
> 
> re kon and jfbterm packages.  I believe they have better support for CJK.
> bterm current lack input methods at all.  But, I believe, it's more general wrt
> locales.

At the moment, the installer may not need input methods capability. 
If it can show the characters correctly, then we can use it in b-f, I think.

It may be that jfbterm has a potential to show various characters 
for some European languages as well as for CJKV. 
But I agree that unicode solution is more general, and we can benefit
when the kernel supports the unicode directly on the console.

> Well, there was a message from Edmundo Evans some time (with subject "bterm" or
> "BOGL term"), where he described how to use bterm (which is in utilities/bogl
> subdirectory).  I tried my best to make the language chooser available if you
> specify USE_LANGUAGE_CHOOSER=true in config file.  But!  All my tests were done
> on my working computer, which means that messages from (utilities/dbootstrap/po)
> directory are to be installed into /etc directory (to simplify the task, I added
> install-utf target to Makefile in utilities/dbootstrap/po directory).

Thanks. I will try. Adam said that we can do point-release after 
the release of potato, so working on this task has some worth.

> > # Note the cc; field on this letter.
> I hope you mean `debian-devel@xxxxx'...

Sure, you are right :) Thanks.

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