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[debian-devel:10479] Re: Install disks solution for non-english languages?

  吉山です。

From: Taketoshi Sano <xlj06203@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [debian-devel:10466] Re: Install disks solution for non-english languages?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:03:43 +0900

> 佐野＠浜松です。
> 
>  debian-boot@lists.debian.org より:
> 
> In article <oa905vvbn7.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Adam Di Carlo <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> さん writes:
> 
> > Gleydson Mazioli da Silva <gleydson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > 
> > > The idea is to put the installation disks (generated by boot-floppies 
> > > package)in the local mirrors of Debian in each country. This because all 
> > > structure of boot-floppies work with only one type of language 
> > > (monolanguage). Thus, as any person want to download of a computer in 
> > > your country (mirror), the installation disks for your languagem cound 
> > > be placed in this server, together of all documentation in your 
> > > language.

要約：
「各国のミラーには、それぞれの国の言語のインストーラを置こう(l10n化)」

> > > Thus we would have the structure following (I'm not very goot in ASCII 
> > > art ;)
> > > 
> > > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > > | Oficial Debian Archive (ftp.debian.org)		|
> > > | Where the most recent disks are released		|
> > > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > > ...\slink\main\disks-i386
> > > ...\slink\main\binary-i386
> > > 
> > > 
> > > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > > | Brazilian Mirror	(ftp.br.debian.org)		|
> > > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > > ...\slink\main\disks-i386
> > > ...\slink\main\binary-i386
> > > ...\slink\main\disks-pt-i386
> > 
> > Due to the way mirroring works this isn't practical.
> > [Why '\'?   This isn't DOS!]

「現実的じゃないなあ…」

> > The other reason this isn't practical is that the base system, which
> > is base2_2.tgz and a slew of base floppies, is not language dependant
> > in any fashion.  I'm not even sure the boot disk (just containing the
> > Linux kernel) is localized -- I am not up on such matters, however.
> > 
> > At any rate, much i shared between the different languages.  What
> > varies?
> > 
> >   * root disk
> >   * documentation
> >   * boot disk and drivers (not sure)
> > 
> > > 1. Use all organization structure of the current boot-floppies.
> > > 2. Split the work with persons around the world that are working in this 
> > >    project.

「各国毎に仕事を分けられる」

> > Huh?  This is why we have CVS access!

「へ？俺達には CVS があるじゃないか。」

> > > 3. Allow to adapt the boot-floppies to our local language, as the    
> > >    kernel, (I believe that this cound not be made with multilanguage 
> > >    method of boot-floppies.)

「カーネルのように、boot-floppies を各国に適応する事を可能にする
 (boot-floppies の多言語化手法では実現できない)」

> > Not sure what you mean.

「何言ってるか分からん」

> > > 4. Allow many device drivers be removed of kernel which are not used
> > >    in some countries, freeing more space in initialization floppies.

「国によっては全く不要なデバイスドライバをインストーラから削除できる」

> > Why would drivers vary per language?

「何で言語によってドライバが変わるんだい？」

> > > For this to be made, I think it's necessary the creation of "local 
> > > maintainers" (eg. local developers) which they would be responsible for 
> > > the compilation and maintenance of the translated installation disks for 
> > > your language. These local maintainers owe have an account in your local 
> > > mirror for upload.

「各国に、インストーラの翻訳作業に責任を持つ管理者を立てる必要があると
思う」

> > On the other hand, given the current scheme, a single person could
> > loop over and make all versions of boot-floppies, simply setting
> > LINGUA.

「他方で、今ある方法では、１人の人間が LINGUA を設定するだけで全てのバー
ジョンの boot-floppies を作成できる」

> > > Can this be a good suggestion? I generated the installation disks for 
> > > Portuguese version and I think that this would solve all the problems 
> > > found to generate a non-english version of installation system. 

「いいだろ？俺はポルトガル語版のインストーラを作ったぞ。
  こいつは全ての非英語版インストーラを作る時の問題を解決してくれる」

> > I don't see how the distribution mechanism you propose would solve any
> > maintenance problems.

「そうは思えんなあ」

> > I would rather welcome all hackers into the fold, all working on the
> > same CVS area.

「むしろ、全てのハッカーが同じ囲い(＝CVS)にある事を勧めるね。」

> > As for distribution, I would rather see it all distributed together in
> > the central repository.  Thus we might have:

「配付を考えて、１つの中央リポジトリを一緒に配付する方がいいと思う。」

> > dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/          -- top level
> >                                      common/   -- non lang-dependant stuff
> >                                      en/       -- EN stuff 
> >                                      en/base2_2.tgz -> ../common/base2_2.tgz
> >                                      pt/
> >                                      ...
> > 
> > --
> > .....Adam Di Carlo....adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>


# …だから base archive はいい加減に捨てろって。
# ↑じゃ言語毎に20MBぐらいのファイル(base archive)が必要になるじゃないか。
# インストールシステム全体の l10n を進めてどうする気だ？

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